Minutes of the National DNB Hospitals Meet

Venue: Bangalore Baptist Hospital
Date:16/10/2010
Time: 3.30pm


Members Present:

 

Dr.Alexander Thomas

Director (CEO), Bangalore Baptist Hospital

Dr.Chandy Abraham

Deputy Director, Bangalore Baptist Hospital

Dr.Padmaja

DNB Co-ordinator, Bangalore Baptist Hospital

Dr.P.Sarkar

Chinmaya Mission Hospital, Bangalore

Dr.Mohammed Ali Kalakkal

Al Shifa Hospital Pvt Ltd, Kerala

Dr.Muralidhar

Narayana Hruduyalaya

Dr.Prem Nair

Amrita Institute of Medical Sciences, Kochi

Dr.Vijay Aruldas

CMAI

Dr.Colin John

Narayana Hruduyalaya

Dr.Devi Shetty

Chariman, Narayana Hruduyalaya

Dr.Christi Dominic Savio

CSI Hospital, Bangalore

Dr. Ananta Subramanya

HAL Hospital

Dr.Samson Daniel

CSI Hospital, Trichy

Dr.Sudhir Joseph

St.Stephen’s Hospital, Delhi

Dr.Rex Thomas

MOSC Medical College, Kolenchery

Dr.Babu J Mathews

Medical Trust Hospital, Kochi

Dr.Mohan Reddy

Sagar Hospital, Bangalore

Dr.Savio Pereira

St.John’s Medical College, Bangalore

Dr.R.Shankar Prasad

St.Philomena’s Hospital

Dr.Sr.Lalitha

St.Therasa’s Hospital, Hyderabad

Dr.Radhakrishnan

Shekhar Nethralaya

Dr.K.R.Suresh

Jain Institute of Vascular Sciences

Dr.R.Immanuel

Christian Fellowship Hospital

Dr.L.H.Bidari

Dr.Bidari’s Aswini Hospital, Bijapur

Dr.Soma Bhattacharjee

B.M.Birla Heart Research Centre, Kolkatta

Dr.Reuben Prakash Jackayya

CSI Holdsworh memorial hospital, Mysore

Dr.H.Yatheesh

Apollo Hospitals (group)

Dr.John Thomas

CMAI

Dr.Deepak M Kamle

Miraj medical centre

Dr.G.Prasad Rao

Asha Hospital, Hyderabad

Dr.G.Parameswara

Manipal Hospital, Bangalore

Dr.S.Kumar

M.S.Ramaiah Medical College

Dr.Maj.Narendra.P.

Narayana Netralaya, Bangalore

Dr.Zameer Ahmed

Shifaa Hospital, Bangalore

Dr.John Jacob

CF Hospital, Oddanchatram

Dr.Nitin Singh/Dr.Pranjal

Lakeside Hospital, Bangalore

Col.Rajeev Mannalu

Indo American Hospital, Kochi

Dr.C.S.Rajan

St.Marthas Hospital

Dr. Srinivas

Yashoda Hospital, Hyderabad.

Dr.Manam Ebenezer

Karigiri Hospital




The meeting was moderated by Dr.Chandy Abraham, Deputy Director, Baptist hospital Bangalore.

1. Dr.Alexander Thomas, Director, BBH, gave the welcome note and thanked the members present. He also thanked Dr.Devi Shetty, member of the newly formed MCI group, for being part of this meeting and briefed the group with regard to the intention of organising this meeting.

2. Dr.Prem Nair, Director, Amrita Institute of Medical Sciences, Cochin gave the introduction to the meeting where he elucidated the problems currently facing almost every hospital that is running the DNB program.

  • Dr. Nair pointed out that students who have done DNB have performed extremely well in life. However, there is a lot of frustration in the DNB student’s community. Some DNB students are opting out of DNB programmes in preference to Medical College postgraduate courses. DNB accredited institutions are finding it difficult to fill up the DNB seats.
  • There is reluctance or incapability of the NBE to communicate: this is a major stumbling block.
  • Present scheme of admission where the NBE wishes to send candidates to various institution with a centralized process, is arbitrary. The accredited institutions have no say in the admission or examination. This is not acceptable to most of the institutions.
  • Lack of internal assessment adding to the final result is a problem leading to poor DNB results

  • Some solutions were offered by Dr. Prem Nair

  • CET NBE accredited institutions should have a say in the admission process.
  • Regional centers must be established for effective communication of rules and regulations
  • NBE institutions and teachers must be fully represented & must head the examination team in the clinical / practical examination
  • Percentile system is better than percentage for finalize the results of DNB examinations.
  • Nomenclature is a major issue; NB offers degree and not diploma! Perhaps we could take the help of IGNOU, to give the degree, if need.

  • 3. The floor was thrown open for a discussion and suggestions for the way forward. This
    discussion was moderated by Dr.Chandy Abraham.

    There was a unanimity that an association of DNB accredited institutions should be created to be able to address the problems the institutions and students are facing.

    The association will be called as “Association of National Board Accredited Institutions (ANBAI).

    This will be registered body. The following office bearers were formally elected by nomination, without contest.

    President

    Dr. Alexander Thomas

    Vice President

    to be announced

    Secretary

    Dr. Rajasekaran, Ganga Hospital

    Treasurer

    Dr. Kunal Sarcar (RTICCS, Calcutta)

    Member – Constitution

    Dr.Muralidharan

    The general body authorized the President to nominate the vice president

    A  sub-committee consisting of the following members was formed to write up the constitution:


    Dr. Kumar
    Dr. Prasad Rao
    Dr. Mohan Reddy
    Dr. Soma Bhattacharjee
    Dr. Christie
    Dr. Mohammed Ali Kalakkal
    Dr. Yohannan John
    Dr Yateesh
    Dr George D’Souza


    Dr. Muralidhar was appointed co-ordinator of the above subcommittee

    4. The Executive committee will be formed with members representing the states. The group approved the members suggested from the various states to represent them, as indicated in the appended sheet. ( Annexure I). The president was authorized to nominate members from states without representation. It was suggested that each of these representatives in turn would form state chapters. There was a suggestion that at a later stage the representation to the executive committee could be region wise( north south east west central) as the state wise executive may be too bulky and some states have very few DNB institutions.

    5. Smaller working committee with E-communication was also suggested.

    Patrons of this association will be:


    Dr. Ramakanth Panda

    Asian Heart Institute

    Dr. Naresh Trehan

    Medanta Medicity Delhi,

    Dr. Somaraju

    Care Hospital Hyderabad,

    Dr. Samiran Nandy,

    Sri Gangaram Hospital Delhi,

    Signatories of the letterhead will be President / Secretary


    6. Dr. Kumar pointed out the member institutions of the ANBAI must contribute to the funds in the form of seed money and annual fee to manage the affairs of the association.

    7. Immediate action to be taken:


    (a) Inform the NBE President about the formation of the association with a copy to MCI and Health Secretary and Health Minister
    (b) To request that the selection process be as December 2009.
    (c) If no response legal steps to be taken
    (d) Write up the constitution within 1 week and register the ANBAI in 2 weeks.
    (e) Circulate the minutes to all DNB institutions
    (f) Invite membership from all institutions
    (g) Formation of website

    Dr. Kumar pointed out that in private unaided institutions administration includes the privilege of admission. NBE taking over the job of admission totally is not permissible as per the constitution. This will be considered as contempt in view of the judgment of previous cases. NBE can hold the qualifying CET examination but selection should rest with the DNB institution. This is in view of the fact that NBE takes an undertaking from the institutions that no violation of the rules will be done. There was a unanimous agreement with Dr. Kumar’s points.

    8. The long term issues to be looked into by the committee are as follows:


  • Admission policy
  • Accreditation – DNB hospital faculty to be involved
  • Communication
  • Primary Part I Validity (which is only 6 months now)
  • Stipend for students
  • Setting and Correction of papers and examinership for faculty of DNB hospitals
  • Internal Assessment
  • Faculty Recognition on par with medical colleges
  • Request NBE that the president of ANBAI should be a permanent invitee of the National Board Governing Body meeting

  • The meeting was adjourned with a vote of thanks by Dr.Girish and high tea.

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