Minutes of the meeting of ANBAI, Representative team with Dr. Srinath Reddy, President of National Board of Examinations, Dr. Bipin Batra, Executive Director of National Board of Examinations

Date : 21.12.2010
Venue : PHD House, 4/2 August Kranti Marg, New Delhi – 1000 16.
Time : 12.30 PM

Members Present at the Meeting:

1

Dr. Srinath Reddy

President, N.B.E.

2

Dr. Bipin Batra

Executive Director, N.B.E

3

Dr. Alexander Thomas

President, ANBAI

4

Dr. H. Sudarshan Ballal

Member (Membership) ANBAI

5

Dr. Sudhir Joseph

Vice President, ANBAI

6

Dr. Devi Shetty

Governing Council Member, Special Invitee,

7

Dr. Prem Nair

Kerala & South zone representative, and Governing council

8

Dr. B.S. Murthy

Andhra Pradesh and East Zone representative & Governing Council Member – ANBAI

9

Dr. P.H. Mishra

New Delhi and North zone representative and Governing
Council Member– ANBAI


Dr. Srinath Reddy, President, N.B.E opened the meeting by welcoming the participants.

Dr. Bipin Batra was congratulated by the ANBAI representative team on assuming the office of the Executive Director, N.B.E. It was made clear by Dr. B.S. Murthy & Dr. Alexander Thomas that ANBAI was formed to work in cooperation with NBE, to give feed back of the NBE accredited institutions to NBE, and improve NBE and Institutional communication.

Dr. Srinath Reddy, President of N.B.E, in his introductory talk welcomed the ANBAI formation and that this was discussed in the Board meeting where the idea was welcomed but said how far ANBAI can be involved apart from consultative status is a matter for further discussion. He said N.B.E is looking forward for a fruitful cooperation, feed back and discussion about decisions with ANBAI.

SELECTION:

He mentioned about the high powered committee set up by N.B.E headed by Dr. Jalalluddin. This committee is being asked to look into the selection process, the CET examination etc. He mentioned about the modified centralized selection process introduced in June/July 2010 and said for the present same procedure will be followed. However if the report from Dr. Jalaluddins committee, which was requested to be submitted as early as possible, becomes available it will be discussed before any change in selection process is contemplated. He agreed consultation with ANBAI will be done. All members from ANBAI reiterated that the training institutions should have a say in the admission process and the CET should only be a qualifying exam. Dr. Reddy replied this would not be possible for this admission and the future procedure would depend on the Jalalluddin committees report.

He mentioned possible modalities of selection process like the centralized selection, a National matching programme or a zonal matching programme etc.

One of the reasons cited for change in selection process was alleged corruption in selling a DNB seat. Dr. Alexander mentioned that this was few and far between and that ANBAI is equally interested in transparency and institutions indulging in malpractices should be blacklisted and suitable action taken.

Dr. Reddy also mentioned that it is important to see that various P.G. admissions in the country are staggered and sequenced. In this planning he mentioned that it is important to see that
the entrance exams and selections to the central institutions like AIMS, PGI and other is completed first, then the common PG entrance test and then have the NBE selections so that there is no clash of dates and the candidates have a fair chance to choose the course and institutions of their choice.

Dr. Bipin Batra, Executive Director, NBE clarified that while selection process is being discussed and debated for the coming January session the centralized selection will b e adopted. He suggested a time slot of 75 days from 1st January 2011 to 15th March 2011 and multiple counseling in between so that maximum placements are done and vacant seats can be minimized or avoided completely, as is happening now.

A method of registering the candidate immediately after the counseling, selection and allotment of centre is suggested.

Dr. Devi Shetty had reiterated the fact that local training accredited institutions should have a say in the selection process.

Dr. B.S. Murthy stated that if a matching programme type of selection process is adopted then the NBE, the accredited institution and the candidates will all be participating rather than the unilateral centralized selection.

Dr. Srinath Reddy & Dr. Bipin Batra reiterated that the committee headed by Dr. Jalauddin is considering all aspects and suggested we wait for the report. This committee will also consider rights of minorities and also private unaided institutions.

CET Examinations:
Dr. Bipin Batra mentioned that the CET exams for Broad Specialties will be conducted twice a year and the validity will be as at present, for selection that session only.

Similarly Super Speciality CET will be conducted once a year and the validity will be till the next selections that year.

Dr. Devi Shetty, Dr. Alexander Thomas, Dr. H. Sudarshan Ballal and Dr. Prem Nair suggested why not have only qualifying criteria and mention whether a candidate has “qualified” or “not” in the CET examinations rather than have ranking marks so that the institutions will have freedom to select from the qualified pool after a local interview. However, the President & Executive Director of NBE felt that ‘merit’ has to be followed in selection of P.G medical courses. Dr. Prem Nair and Dr. H. Sudarshan Ballal have suggested that a particular percentage of management quota seats may be created as is being done for Post Graduate selection (MD, MS). Many charitable and Missionary hospitals have very large number of committed and dedicated doctors with long term career plans at the Institution and often are even willing to work in a volunteer capacity for the Organization. It is they who sustain the Institutions Healthcare services and enable a viable charitable program. It is impossible to run such programs without some freedom of selection for the Institution running the program. This important factor will also be looked into by the Jalauddin Committee.

Exit Examinations:
About the exit exams though at present these is only one per year, conducting two exit exams per year is being considered, both in Super Specialties and Broad Specialties to reduce the waiting time for reappearing of the failed candidates. Dr. Srinath Reddy requested the help of member hospitals in conducting the exams in this regard.

Dr. Alexander Thomas, Dr. Prem Nair, Dr. Sudhir Joseph, Dr. P.H Mishra wanted more representation and presence of faculty of the accredited institutions as examiners and as inspectors.

Dr. Bipin Batra and Dr. Srinath Reddy assured that N.B.E is considering increasing the examiners list and inspectors list by adding more faculty from the accredited institutions. They requested for a list to be sent to NBE of such willing qualified persons. It was suggested that 75% of examiners be faculty from DNB institution.

Dr. Alexander Thomas, Dr. Prem Nair and Dr. H. Sudarshan Ballal suggested that some kind of arrangement and role for internal examiners, if not from the same institution, but at least from the same zone may also be considered.

The question of candidates taking exam before the course completion was discussed. Dr. Batra informed that 2 new forms have been introduced – 6 and 6A. Form 6A will ensure that candidates complete the course, since only after this form is filled will the candidates results be released.

Dr. Prem Nair & Dr. H. Sudarshan Ballal suggested some kind of weightage for internal assessment.

Both Dr. Srinath Reddy and Dr. Bipin Batra pointed out that internal assessment is not a part of the P.G examinations of University streams in the country or for that matter in any exit exams of Medical P.G Courses anywhere in other countries.

They further suggested apart from having more examiners in the pool from the accredited institutions they are planning to have observers from this increased faculty pool to oversee the clinical and practical examinations. This may raise the percentage of passes and at the same time maintain uniformity and uphold standards.

STANDARDS:

Talking about uniformity of standards in training & examinations the president has pointed out that the NBE is contemplating formation of Speciality Boards to review the training, examinations and to give suggestions and directions. It was suggested DNB hospital faculty be the majority in these Boards.

In this direction formation of regional resource centers and resource pool was suggested by Dr. Srinath Reddy & Dr. Bipin Batra. They requested ANBAI help in facilitating this.

Dr. Devi Shetty & Dr. B.S, Murthy have suggested state and zonal resource centers and training programmes in various subjects.
It was informed that to improve efficacy and efficiency regional centres would be set up. The first DNB Regional l centre will be open in Hyderabad by January 2011. Three more centres will be set up during 2011.

PRIMARY AND SECONDARY CANDIDATES:
The need to delink secondary candidate selection to the primary candidate was also discussed. Dr. B.S. Murthy & Dr. H. Sudarshan Ballal pointed out that primary candidate’s selection need not be insisted to recruit a secondary candidate. Dr. Bipin Batra pointed out that they are thinking of some criteria to prepare a merit list of secondary candidates and pointed out that they would look into delinking the need for a primary candidates for selecting secondary candidate and also agreed that by virtue of their earlier training in the same field that the secondary candidates standards are quite high. The needs of having appropriate number of faculty also is to be gone into if delinking is considered.

FEES
Dr. B.S. Murthy & Devi Shetty suggested a hike in tuition fee to at least a lakh of rupees per year.

Dr. Alexander Thomas thanked everybody for being present at the meeting.

The meeting was concluded and adjoined with an invitation to join the Lunch by Dr. Srinath Reddy.

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